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	<description>Sliding down the banisters of the ivory tower.</description>
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		<description>Blogs are new to me and as I search, I find these articles very useful, thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: noeleneful</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>address events change continue 20th upper</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;The Best Explanation I&#8217;ve Heard Yet&#8221; &#171; Bede&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;The Best Explanation I&#8217;ve Heard Yet&#8221; &#171; Bede&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 7:30 - 9 pm, as well as the Sunday School&#8217;s conversation about Jacob yesterday, here&#8217;s Nicola Karras, wrestling with God: I don’t know how truth can function as a locus of value if we can’t know [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 7:30 - 9 pm, as well as the Sunday School&#8217;s conversation about Jacob yesterday, here&#8217;s Nicola Karras, wrestling with God: I don’t know how truth can function as a locus of value if we can’t know [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In Which I Attempt To Jump Into The PoMoCo Fray &#171; phaidimoi logoi</title>
		<link>http://www.nazg.com/iqrai/index.php/2008/10/14/faith-hope-love-two-out-of-three-aint-bad/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>In Which I Attempt To Jump Into The PoMoCo Fray &#171; phaidimoi logoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Strauss wrote: “We are compelled to distinguish political philosophy from political theology. By political theology we understand political teachings which are based on divine revelation. Political philosophy is limited to what is accessible to the unassisted human mind.” (“What Is Political Philosophy?”) This distinction is why I am sympathetic to Nicola’s reluctance to place him in her Weltanschauung. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Strauss wrote: “We are compelled to distinguish political philosophy from political theology. By political theology we understand political teachings which are based on divine revelation. Political philosophy is limited to what is accessible to the unassisted human mind.” (“What Is Political Philosophy?”) This distinction is why I am sympathetic to Nicola’s reluctance to place him in her Weltanschauung. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Postmodern Conservative &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Truth, Good, God, and Fullness</title>
		<link>http://www.nazg.com/iqrai/index.php/2008/10/14/faith-hope-love-two-out-of-three-aint-bad/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>Postmodern Conservative &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Truth, Good, God, and Fullness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] snowflake just like all the others&#8230;Pete on A unique snowflake just like all the others&#8230;Iqra&#8217;i: Faith, hope, love: two out of three ain&#8217;t bad. on Jung and the Restless [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] snowflake just like all the others&#8230;Pete on A unique snowflake just like all the others&#8230;Iqra&#8217;i: Faith, hope, love: two out of three ain&#8217;t bad. on Jung and the Restless [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicola Karras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicola Karras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was me; and I haven't read Strauss, though he comes just after Schmitt and Weaver and just before nap time on my to-do list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was me; and I haven&#8217;t read Strauss, though he comes just after Schmitt and Weaver and just before nap time on my to-do list.</p>
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		<title>By: JL Wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First things first: it was your political autobiography that set in motion this series of posts about Pomoco (etc.) at “places I read regularly” that have been consuming far too much of my time, no?  This means I’m holding you somehow responsible for the fact that, rather than sleeping, I’m sitting here at 1:45 am reviewing my copy of Strauss (which neither of my roommates has burned yet!).

Moving on, though, but sticking with the theme of holding people responsible: it’s probably Strauss who has me instinctively siding with you on two points.  On the certainty/truth (and forwards!) issue, I think you’re fine moving forward without truths of which you are uncertain—mostly because the first thing I read in Strauss that I had a favorable opinion of was his definition of philosophy as, “essentially not possession of the truth, but quest for the truth. . . . Genuine knowledge of a fundamental question, a thorough understanding of it, is better than blindness to it, or indifference to it, be that indifference or blindness accompanied by knowledge of the answers of a vast number of peripheral or ephemeral questions or not.”

But it was your comment at the end about absenting religious faith from your Weltanschauung that sent me back to Strauss to begin with—I knew I felt this was the safer direction to go in, but couldn’t figure out quite why for a little while.  Anyway, this feeling of mine has its root in his distinction between political theology and political philosophy: “By political theology we understand political teachings which are based on divine revelation.  Political philosophy is limited to what accessible to the unassisted human mind.” 

Of course, I don’t know if Strauss is in your background, so this could all be coincidental (or worse: irrelevant—and I could be asleep!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First things first: it was your political autobiography that set in motion this series of posts about Pomoco (etc.) at “places I read regularly” that have been consuming far too much of my time, no?  This means I’m holding you somehow responsible for the fact that, rather than sleeping, I’m sitting here at 1:45 am reviewing my copy of Strauss (which neither of my roommates has burned yet!).</p>
<p>Moving on, though, but sticking with the theme of holding people responsible: it’s probably Strauss who has me instinctively siding with you on two points.  On the certainty/truth (and forwards!) issue, I think you’re fine moving forward without truths of which you are uncertain—mostly because the first thing I read in Strauss that I had a favorable opinion of was his definition of philosophy as, “essentially not possession of the truth, but quest for the truth. . . . Genuine knowledge of a fundamental question, a thorough understanding of it, is better than blindness to it, or indifference to it, be that indifference or blindness accompanied by knowledge of the answers of a vast number of peripheral or ephemeral questions or not.”</p>
<p>But it was your comment at the end about absenting religious faith from your Weltanschauung that sent me back to Strauss to begin with—I knew I felt this was the safer direction to go in, but couldn’t figure out quite why for a little while.  Anyway, this feeling of mine has its root in his distinction between political theology and political philosophy: “By political theology we understand political teachings which are based on divine revelation.  Political philosophy is limited to what accessible to the unassisted human mind.” </p>
<p>Of course, I don’t know if Strauss is in your background, so this could all be coincidental (or worse: irrelevant—and I could be asleep!).</p>
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		<title>By: Moff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOKES. With an S! Dammit.</description>
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		<title>By: Moff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;God would be a nice, easy answer, but I can’t do it. Shouldn’t religious faith — the kind of thing that fills your life with meaning, that changes not only how you live your life but how you see the world — require something more than “oh, that’s the best explanation I’ve heard yet”?&lt;/em&gt;

Well, in a word: Uh-uh.

I mean, that's a totally understandable line of thinking. Finding religion is generally treated in the media as this rapturous experience, this &lt;em&gt;moment&lt;/em&gt; where, yes, your life is filled with meaning. And while I'm sure that happens to some people -- and certainly, the Christian fundamentalists, the most public face of religion in the U.S., have done their level best to make it seem like it happens that way a lot -- I contend that the most truly worthwhile of those moments happen &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; you've found religion and are typically much less rapturous, occasionally even bordering on the mundane.

Religion is a practice, right? Now think about any other practice. Playing golf, running a business, writing poetry. Sure, you might have a brilliant play or flash of insight early on, but assuming you take a genuine stab at it, you're going to have a lot more of those the longer you do it, and they're probably going to be of better quality. In fact, you'll probably look back at your earliest such moments and think, "Gosh, I was cute back then." And you can start doing any of these things for perfectly banal reasons, too, not because you're so psyched about golf or business or poetry, but because you want to make partner or because your dad is sick and you don't want the family store to go under or because you have to take a stupid class.

We bark a lot about what the fundamentalists are doing to secular life in this country, and that's legit, but they've done at least as serious a disservice to religion. They've really made it seem like religion (or Christianity, at least) is a set of hard-and-fast rules, that God is angry when people don't follow those rules, and that there has to be some Magical Moment involved in finding Him. But, no, religion (or Christianity, at least, or just &lt;em&gt;God&lt;/em&gt;, if that's easier -- I really don't think He's that picky) is supposed to welcome anyone, and especially anyone who's looking for something. It definitely doesn't have to be Something Big, either, like help with their drug problem.

So, this is not an attempt to proselytize, just an attempt to overturn what I think is (again, understandably) the current conventional wisdom about religion. And lastly, no, God is &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; the easy answer, dude. ;-) It's like when you're little and you think being the president would make life so much more simple. I mean, the Guy's a total cockhead sometimes. He's worth it, IMHO, but there's a reason Robert Frost wrote:

&lt;em&gt;Forgive, O Lord, my little jokew on Thee
And I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>God would be a nice, easy answer, but I can’t do it. Shouldn’t religious faith — the kind of thing that fills your life with meaning, that changes not only how you live your life but how you see the world — require something more than “oh, that’s the best explanation I’ve heard yet”?</em></p>
<p>Well, in a word: Uh-uh.</p>
<p>I mean, that&#8217;s a totally understandable line of thinking. Finding religion is generally treated in the media as this rapturous experience, this <em>moment</em> where, yes, your life is filled with meaning. And while I&#8217;m sure that happens to some people &#8212; and certainly, the Christian fundamentalists, the most public face of religion in the U.S., have done their level best to make it seem like it happens that way a lot &#8212; I contend that the most truly worthwhile of those moments happen <em>after</em> you&#8217;ve found religion and are typically much less rapturous, occasionally even bordering on the mundane.</p>
<p>Religion is a practice, right? Now think about any other practice. Playing golf, running a business, writing poetry. Sure, you might have a brilliant play or flash of insight early on, but assuming you take a genuine stab at it, you&#8217;re going to have a lot more of those the longer you do it, and they&#8217;re probably going to be of better quality. In fact, you&#8217;ll probably look back at your earliest such moments and think, &#8220;Gosh, I was cute back then.&#8221; And you can start doing any of these things for perfectly banal reasons, too, not because you&#8217;re so psyched about golf or business or poetry, but because you want to make partner or because your dad is sick and you don&#8217;t want the family store to go under or because you have to take a stupid class.</p>
<p>We bark a lot about what the fundamentalists are doing to secular life in this country, and that&#8217;s legit, but they&#8217;ve done at least as serious a disservice to religion. They&#8217;ve really made it seem like religion (or Christianity, at least) is a set of hard-and-fast rules, that God is angry when people don&#8217;t follow those rules, and that there has to be some Magical Moment involved in finding Him. But, no, religion (or Christianity, at least, or just <em>God</em>, if that&#8217;s easier &#8212; I really don&#8217;t think He&#8217;s that picky) is supposed to welcome anyone, and especially anyone who&#8217;s looking for something. It definitely doesn&#8217;t have to be Something Big, either, like help with their drug problem.</p>
<p>So, this is not an attempt to proselytize, just an attempt to overturn what I think is (again, understandably) the current conventional wisdom about religion. And lastly, no, God is <em>never</em> the easy answer, dude. <img src='http://www.nazg.com/iqrai/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> It&#8217;s like when you&#8217;re little and you think being the president would make life so much more simple. I mean, the Guy&#8217;s a total cockhead sometimes. He&#8217;s worth it, IMHO, but there&#8217;s a reason Robert Frost wrote:</p>
<p><em>Forgive, O Lord, my little jokew on Thee<br />
And I&#8217;ll forgive Thy great big one on me.</em></p>
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